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- From: chase@centerline.com (David Chase)
- Message-ID: <4dumo5$bav@wcap.centerline.com>
- X-Original-Date: 22 Jan 1996 00:45:57 GMT
- Path: in1.uu.net!bounce-back
- Date: 22 Jan 96 06:01:26 GMT
- Approved: fjh@cs.mu.oz.au
- Newsgroups: comp.std.c++
- Subject: Re: Throwing an exception from within a si
- Organization: CenterLine Software
- References: <4doh5o$k04@wcap.centerline.com> <4dos4l$ra9@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM>
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- In article <4dos4l$ra9@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM>,
- Steve Clamage <clamage@Eng.Sun.COM> wrote:
- >In article k04@wcap.centerline.com, chase@centerline.com (David Chase) writes:
-
- >I'm more than willing to assume your implementation technique has merit.
- >Yet didn't you say you were not able to get it approved? So what
- >is a C++ implementor to do if the only reasonable implementation
- >technique violates the platform ABI?
-
- Use of techniques not mandated by the ABI does not necessarily
- "violate" the ABI. For instance, Sun's current C++ product uses
- PC-ranges, yet these are not discussed in the ABI. Note that the C++
- subroutines interoperate with ABI-conforming subroutines. Placing
- something like that in the ABI merely helps reduce the chance that
- each and every language and vendor will do something different and
- non-interoperable. The actual reasons why it didn't make it in had a
- lot less to do with technology, and more to do with intercompany
- politics (and I must admit that I did not explain myself well at the
- time).
-
- >I want to say again that a criterion for a feature in the standard is not
- >whether you can somehow implement it on some systems. The criterion is more
- >like whether you can implement it with appropriate efficiency on all
- >systems and not adversely affect programs that don't use the feature.
- >If a feature does not meet this criterion, it has to be widely beneficial
- >to justify its inclusion.
-
- Well, most programs I've seen (Sparc, 386, 68K, VAX) used pretty
- simple calling sequences, even in the presence of some scheduling, and
- those programs aren't adversely affected by this. It's efficient on
- all reasonable systems (I haven't figured out how it would work on a
- B1700, for example), and I've had my ear bent talking to people (at
- Sun) doing video about how brain-dead they think it is to not have
- asynchronous exceptions. Furthermore, I fully expect that people will
- do stupid stuff in signal handlers, no matter what the standard says.
- I realize that there are difficulties (how much of the constructor has
- completed?) but they aren't related to maintaining consistent
- activation records.
-
- Really, this is slightly pointless -- I had this argument with other
- people years ago, and I know that it will have no effect on the
- language. However, it is simply not the case that it is difficult to
- maintain consistent activation records in the presence of asynchronous
- exceptions.
-
- speaking for myself,
-
- David Chase
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